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Religion tells us that it means to be born separated from God ... that it means to be totally depraved.

Not so for Jesus.


The religious of Jesus day used the word sinner much the same way as western religion does today.

Jesus was in the house of Matthew. The OUTCASTS followed Jesus ...

Mark 2:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the SINNERS and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and SINNERS?”

Jesus heard this derogatory label “sinner” and then refined it to mean

Mark 2:17
Those who are HEALTHY have no need of a physician, but those who are SICK. I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS.


Thank you Jesus for truth.

Jesus defined a sinner as someone who is SICK!

You see?!!

Jesus is doctor

Sin is sickness

Salvation is healing.

Sinner has nothing to do with being evil or depraved.

It just means not being whole and healthy.
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This coincides with the verse in Jeremiah 17:9 that in many English versions says the heart is "desperately wicked" but in the Hebrew it actually means the heart is "desperately sick/weak". That's a big difference!

Just say ... a woman (men too) has a rash on her face. She looks and feels unclean. She loses her inner peace. So she goes to a doctor. He provides a cream. She applies the cream. Rash gone. She is at peace within her self again. This is how the word “atonement” works in the bible.

THE CREAM DID NOTHING TO THE DOCTOR. HE JUST PROVIDED THE REMEDY TO CLEANSE AWAY HER RASH SO THAT SHE COULD FEEL CLEAN AND HAVE INNER PEACE. Not peace with the doctor. He was always at peace with her. The cream did not change the way he felt about her at all. If anything by providing her with the cream this gave him joy. He was never angry with her. He was always at peace with her and wanted her to feel at peace again within herself. So he provided the remedy.

This is how atonement through the sacrifice of Jesus and animals work in the bible. Sacrifice never acts on God, or changes the way God feels towards us. It in fact reveals how God feels about us - that he is always benevolent ... like the good doctor providing the cream.

In the next post I will demonstrate the above from the BIBLE!
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Yes, like the good doctor and good parents, especially our heavenly Father!

excellent example, Santos. "While WE were still enemies, God reconciled US to Himself." Atonement/reconciliation is always man toward God; never God toward man. The blood is for us, not for God. "This is the cup of the new covenant in My blood: drink YE all of it."

this is why I believe that the word should be conciliation rather than re conciliation as reconciliation says that there's two hurt parties needing to be reconciled God has always loved us

Christus Medicus.

Amen, I agree.. And I consider Jesus on the cross as a strong enough image to pierce every guilty conscience... (and every heart hardened against God perhaps because of the ET/ECT gospel!)

His sacrifice changed our minds not his.

George Hurd the sacrifice doesn’t impart any change upon God, or does it?

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THE GREEK TEXT HAS BEEN HIDDEN ... I get so angry with scholars sometimes!!!! I believe that the translators know exactly that Jesus was a universalist and then deliberately mistranslate!

Why? They ignore really basic Greek rules and so mislead English readers.

For example look at the difference between these two translations of the exact same verse.

John 17:21 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world MAY BELIEVE that You sent Me.

So the prestigious NASB has Jesus saying that he hopes that the world MAY BELIEVE!

Nothing definite about that.

But now look how brave the NET is!

John 17:21 New English Translation (NET Bible)
21 that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, so that the world WILL BELIEVE that you sent me.


That is not the same thing!

Now this "will believe" that Jesus is praying about is not describing a future hope or a possibility!


The 2 words translated "so that" just before "will believe" come from the one Greek word hina. Hina is a purpose clause!


So when Jesus prayed he made it clear to his Father that THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE!!



Jesus clearly believed in Universal Salvation!

He said in John 3:16 "that whoever believes in him WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE" AND NOW HE SAYS THAT THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE.

The Greek is unambiguous and the translators of the NKJV ... the NASB ... the NIV ... and even YOUNGS LITERAL TRANSLATION have deliberately mislead its English readers!

Rant Over!

I have decided to write a book "Was Jesus a Universalist? John Gives the Final Verdict!" In this book I will show that one of the major themes of John IS THE BELIEF THAT JESUS WAS A UNIVERSALIST!
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Would be nice if god in his infinite wisdom made it clear and didnt let the popular versions of the bible ever be printed then.

How do you understand the first part... I pray that they will be in us, so that... Doesn't that still sound conditional?

Santo, is the NET a good translation to have generally?

When I was a kid, my dad would say "world" doesn't mean everybody. Even then, I thought he was full of crap.

But beforexwill believecin john 3 16. We uavexwhosoecer believes

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First note this:

The 12 demonstrated that they came to faith in Jesus when ...

John 17:8 New English Translation (NET Bible)
8 because I have given them the words you have given me. THEY ACCEPTED them and really understand that I came from you, and THEY BELIEVED THAT YOU SENT ME


But now comes the slam dunker!


John 17:20-21 New English Translation (NET Bible)
20 “I am not praying only on their behalf, but also on behalf of those who believe in me through their testimony, 21 that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, SO THAT THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE THAT YOU SENT ME







JESUS SAID IN JOHN 3:16 that THE WORLD must believe in order to have eternal life and now we read THE WORLD WILL!


In John 3:17 Jesus said that he came to SAVE THE WORLD AND NOW IN 17:21 HE SAYS THAT THE WORLD WILL BE SAVED!


PS ... I hope someone brings up a possible objection ... i am ready!
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I am more convinced of the truth concerning Universal Restoration than I ever thought before, and am pleasantly stunned as to the frequency and way it is described in Scripture. Sometimes I wonder if I have ever really read the Bible, for it has been totally transformed in my heart. Thanks Dr Calarco!

Yes I’ve been pointing at this one a long time when people say Jesus didn’t believe in universal reconciliation. He evens goes on further to say so that they the world will know how you love them as much as you do me.

This will happen with the second coming when Jesus comes back in the clouds to reclaim his church. (Rapture). Can you imagine this!!!!!! All will see and all will know that he was the son of God. The Jews will look at the savior and mourn because they will then understand that it truly was Jesus. Could this be possible? I do believe this is going to happen so very soon.



John was the last apostle. His gospel was the last letter written by the last living apostle. He records the very last words of Jesus in Gethsemane where Jesus prayed to his Father … and one of the major themes in these last words found in John 17 was UNIVERSAL SALVATION!!!


Look at this misleading translation!

John 17:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who WILL BELIEVE in me through their message

Ok so its clear that Jesus is about to go to the Cross and he is praying not just for his followers but also for ALL WHO WILL EVER BELIEVE IN JESUS AS A RESULT OF THE PREACHING of his followers!

So clearly to believe means that these people are saved!


John 17:21 NIV
21 that all of them may be one,Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE SENT ME.

So we know that the followers of Jesus will preach to THE WHOLE WORLD … BUT …




The Greek contains a purpose clause … the Greek word signalling a purpose clause is “hina”.

Whenever you see a hina purpose clause in Greek what is being described is NOT A POSSIBLE OUTCOME BUT A DEFINITE OUTCOME …


Guess what?


Even the NIV has alerted us that a hina-purpose clause has been used when it says “SO THAT THE WORLD …” the words “so that” in the NIV are absolutely correct! But then it makes a MESS OF WHAT FOLLOWS! What should follow is “SO THAT THE WORLD BELIEVES!”



The translators knew very well what a purpose clause indicates …


A perfect example of TRANSLATOR BIAS!

Here is the Greek!

ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΙΟΝ ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 17:21 Tyndale House Greek New Testament (THGNT)
21 ἵνα [Greek hina] ὁ κόσμος πιστεύῃ ὅτι σύ με ἀπέστειλας.

THE FIRST WORD THERE IS HINA … which signals not a possible outcome but a DEFINITE OUTCOME!


Look how brave the following translation is!

John 17:21 New English Translation (NET Bible)
21 that they will all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you. I pray that they will be in us, SO THAT (hina) THAT THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE that you sent me.


Through the preaching and unity of his followers the world WILL BELIEVE that God sent Jesus!

The Greek has a hina-purpose clause!


The Greek describes a DEFINITE OUTCOME!


And now Jesus says that they WILL ALL BELIEVE!

Jesus said in verse 20 that he is praying for ALL WHO WILL END UP BELIEVING IN HIM AND then in verse 21 he uses the hina-purpose clause to indicate THAT ALL WILL BELIEVE IN HIM!

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Thank you!

Thank you!

Beautiful! Hallelujah!

wow amazing

Thank you for the enlightenment

Of utmost importance, Jesus also declared that, were he lifted up from the earth, in the cross, he would draw all, not just some, people to himself (John 12:32)!

Both of my go-to-guys re: translation of the Greek of the New Testament, and one of the two, also of the Hebrew of the Old Testament, have declared to me that the NIV is a translation disaster. One of those two had the head honcho of the committee that issued that translation as his professor in Seminary. According to him, every principle of translation taught by that professor, was, by him, and the others on the committee or committees, utterly ignored in the NIV. Readability being its most attractive feature fits well for our generally dumbed-down culture.

God and the Son always spoke in absolutes because that is who they are to convince us of we are as One together. This is not the only place the translators inserted the words that implied we had to do anything but believe the Truth.

Andrew Wommack refers to the NIV as the Nearly Inpired Version.

That’s really good, Santo.

Love this 💖💯

I love this!


Yeah baby

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Religion says ... DO!

Grace says ... DONE!
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Santo, is this your old page, or your new page?? I know you're gonna delete a page, but not sure which one is which! 😉 This one is with your little girl, and the other one is you in a red shirt...which one is the new one to keep?

John 3:16… The most misunderstood statement of all time!

Did Jesus say that if we do not believe in him that we will experience eternal conscious torment in the afterlife? That’s exactly what billions believe Jesus meant when he said “whoever does not believe in him will PERISH!”

Billions understand “perish” to mean eternal conscious torment in the afterlife.

How? Well if eternal life means living forever then to perish by contrast can only mean eternal conscious torment.

This is not what Jesus meant at all!

For one thing Jesus is not referring to something that will take place in the afterlife. He was talking about what was happening in the here and now.

This is made clear by the use of the present indicative active in the verb believe.

Jesus said, that whoever believes… Present tense Right here right now… Shall not perish… right here right now! There is nothing in this verse that indicates he is talking about perishing in the afterlife!

Jesus is simply saying that if you do not believe him now you are perishing now!

So what does Jesus mean by the word “perish”? And how does one perish here and now?

We can answer this question contextually, lexically and syntactically.

The syntax of the sentence… That is the sentence structure… Makes it very clear that to perish simply means the exact opposite to eternal life!

“Whoever does not believe will perish and not have eternal life”.

John has placed the words perish and everlasting life in direct contrast.

If eternal life means a life that goes on endlessly… Then to perish by contrast would have to mean some kind of deathly experience that goes on endlessly. But eternal life in the bible does not mean having a life that never ends.

If we can find out what “eternal life” means then we will automatically know what to “perish” means because they are exactly the opposite.

And we are not left in the dark on this issue because Jesus has given us an exact definition of what eternal life means.

John 17:3
And this is eternal life that they may KNOW you the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Eternal life is clearly defined as knowing God AND knowing Jesus. To know God means intimate relationship with him.


Since eternal life means “knowing” God ... that is an intimate relationship with God and Jesus ... then to perish simply means the exact opposite.


To perish has nothing to do at all with going to hell in the afterlife… It simply means to not have an intimate relationship with God and Jesus here and now.

But why did Jesus say that eternal life is having a relationship with God AND him? WHY BOTH?

You see ... to have a relationship with anyone YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.

So to know God, which is eternal life, we need to know what he is like AND THATS EXACTLY WHY JESUS CAME TO EARTH!

As soon as Jesus said that eternal life was knowing God and him ... Jesus made the following qualifying statement.

John 17:6 (TPT)
6 “Father, I have manifested who you really are
and I have revealed you

Wow! Eternal life is knowing God and Jesus because Jesus reveals what God is like!

John 1:18 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or [b]the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].


Jesus is the ONLY one who can reveal that Father to us.

So we must believe in Jesus in order to know God. Why? We would never be able to have a relationship with God without knowing what he is like and we can only know what he is like by believing in and knowing Jesus who revealed him.

Let’s consider what the Greek word translated “perish” actually means.

The greek word is apolummi. This is the same word translated “lost” in the parables of the lost sheep coin and prodigal son.

Perish means to be lost!

Let’s put this all together now.

1. Eternal life with God comes by believing in Jesus who showed us what God is like.

2. To perish by not believing in Jesus means we can’t ever get to know God because Jesus is the only one who has ever revealed him.

3. And the Greek word for perish means to be lost.

If we believe in Jesus we will know what God is like. If we don’t believe in Jesus we perish ... we are lost here and now because we can never get to know God without Jesus revealing him to us.

Here is my para phrase of John 3:16

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not be lost but will know exactly what the father is like and so enter into a relationship with him which is life eternal”
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You are correct, perish is an old English word two drunks would say when they were either going home or having one more. "We best leave now, lest we perish(get lost on their way home)

This is really helpful, especially the paraphrase. Thank you.

Thank you and its much helpful

Well exegeted. Many thanks Santo Calarco. Psalm 118:24 today and every day!

Excellent 💖💯

It raises a question. Eternal conscious torment would require eternal life or immortality to become real in the first place. Where would that come from?

Santo Calarco love all your posts, great information ty.

Perfect ❣️

The idea of having an “intimate relationship” is difficult for some folks. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the phrase invokes an idea of an emotional feeling. Being saved doesn’t have to have along with it warm fuzzy feelings. It may just simply be a deep inner peace that all is well between the person and God. And nothing can change that. And if there is ever a time that one may feel separated; well, that separation is a self imposed illusion. In the culture I was raised, generally men don’t talk about having an intimate relationship with one another. We may be best friends or refer to one another as “bro” and would fight to death for one another, etc. We will lend each other our tools and help one another drag a deer to the truck during an hunting trip, but there is not much mention about our deepest feelings for one another. Anyhow, I try to help people understand that we don’t have to have a deep emotional feeling when we think of our relationship with God. If one does, then good for that one, but knowing the One True God isn’t all about emotion. I like to remind others and myself what our relationship is to God. We are His children and He is our Father. I think that was the emphasis of Jesus’ ministry. He was revealing to us, for the first time, that we are inextricably related to God and nothing can change that. BTW... I am fortunate to have a great relationship and nearly all of my life I have had a great relationship with my earthly dad so this type of relationship isn’t difficult for me. Yet I am aware that many do struggle because they are not as fortunate. When we see that this may be the case for someone who is trying to maintain a relationship with our Father it may be good to let that someone know that there is no condemnation from Him for having the struggle. He is on their side no matter what.

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"But Santo Jesus clearly taught against universal salvation when he said: 'But small is the gate that leads to life, and only a few find it'!"

1. Many often quote Jesus when he says "the gate is narrow and there are only FEW that find it!"

2. That's not what the Greek text says

3. Consider Young's literal translation.

Matthew 7:14Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
14 how strait [is] the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

1. Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience in this verse - which was part of the sermon on the mount.

2. Speaking to this specific Jewish audience he said that "few of my listeners ARE finding it!"

3. He didn't say that most of humanity will not find life but only a few who were currently listening to him AT THAT TIME.

4. Jesus used the present continuous which Young correctly translates as "are finding it"

5. He made no comment about all people of all time. Just his present audience at that time.

6. Neither did he say that they would not find it later on

7. He was talking about the current reaction at a specific time.

He was simply saying that many who were listening to him there and then were not responding at that time

This verse does not negate eventual universal salvation.
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Did you know that the book of Revelation tell us that people will still need to be healed in heaven?

Revelation 22:1-3 New International Version
22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.

We are back to the Garden of Eden!

So here we have a scene before the throne of Jesus and we read of a group called “the nations” that require healing!

Why would healing be required in heaven?

The answer to this question is found in discovering who “the nations” are.

In the book of Revelation the nations are a very specific, well defined group of people.

Who are “the nations”?

Every time and without exception, “the nations” are those who oppose God, reject the everlasting gospel, and persecute the people of God.

The "nations" are describes as "angry" (11:18), ruled by the "beast" (13:7) and made "drunk" and "deceived" by Babylon (14:8; 17:15; 18:3,23). The nations are the lost and as such need to hear the everlasting Gospel (14:6-7). In fact we read that the nations attempt to make war with Jesus when he returns (19:15) but they fail.


Revelation 20:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive THE NATIONS which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of THE SAINTS and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Clearly two groups are described: the God-rejecting, Gospel-forsaking persecuting nations and the saints inside the city!

The nations face the final judgement and end up in the lake of fire (20:11-15).

So its clear: the nations represent all the lost.

They are in the lake of fire! But can they leave this place?

To be sure, we do read of beings inside the lake of fire for ever and ever… But when we read that statement carefully we see that this only applies to the counterfeit trinity: devil, the beast and false prophet.

Revelation 20:10
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

We never read that the nations remain there endlessly.

It’s because of this that we read that eventually "the nations" approach the throne and find their healing.

You see, we read that the saints are already described as inside the New Jerusalem with God (21:1-3) and that the nations are inside the lake of fire (21:8) but eventually leave that place and enter the holy city through its ever-open gates FROM THE OUTSIDE!

Revelation 21:23-26 New International Version
23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 THE NATIONS WILL walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor INTO IT. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of THE NATIONS will be brought INTO IT.

You see? The nations see the light coming from Jesus and the Father inside the city! The nations begin to walk towards this light. The gates are never closed to them. And they will enter into the gates - they are clearly outside the gates.

The only place described "outside the gates" is the lake of fire!

Revelation 22:14-15
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside the gates are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

See? Two groups again! Those inside the gates and those outside the gates and this latter group are clearly the lost in the lake of fire.

But we read in Revelation 21:24-26 above that the nations WILL ENTER INTO THE CITY THROUGH ITS EVER-OPEN GATES! They will! Not may! WILL! Bankable.

Then we read that they approach the throne of God and of the Lamb and find their healing!

Revelation 22:2 New International Version (NIV)
2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS!

Now that we know who the nations are, this verse SPELLS OUT THE MOST WONDERFUL NEWS OF ALL!

The nations were all ILL! They must have been to reject Jesus and persecute the saints! After a stay in the lake of fire, they repent and enter into the city from outside the gates.

To enter the city they had to fulfill condition of entry: "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city - Revelation 22:14.

Yes the nations came to repentance in the lake of fire, they washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and its because of this that that they could enter into the city through its gates.

The nations recognise their brokenness, approach Jesus at the throne - the same Jesus they tried to make war with in Revelation 19:15 ... and they find their healing!

There are only 2 groups mentioned in the book of Revelation: the saints and the nations!

And both end up inside the New Jerusalem. And so the long story of the bible comes to an end. Its started from Eden lost to Eden restored with every human being healed!

Immediately after the nations receive their healing from Jesus inside the New Jerusalem we read the climax of the whole bible!

Revelation 22:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.


The healed nations will see his face and they will reign forever and ever!

And they all lived happily ever after.
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I believed there are twofold process of their healing (the nations). First, before entering the city gates, they must wash their robes by repentance to enter into the city resulting for their salvation of their soul ( spiritually). And Second, by eating of the leaves of the tree of life for their newly form glorious body replacing their sinful resurrected flesh ( biological body of corruption) before undergoing process in the lake of fire. I believed, this is the very purposed of the eating of the leaves ( not the fruit ) of the tree of life is for their newly created transform biological body from corruption to glorious bodily form just like the saints already saved inside the city with a resurrected glorious body already.

Thanks Santo for all labor in bringing ur enlightenment to all.l love you Bro

Thanks Santo..... it makes perfect sense. Or do you have to have a transformed mind to see the obvious?💗

The book of Revelation isn't about "Heaven", it is about Jesus Christ and his kingdom and how it works. It is here and now, it is everywhere present, and it includes and involves everyone.

Unless it's all about a spiritual reality ie the new Jerusalem is here and now it's the kingdom now

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Romans 14:10-11
10For we will ALL stand before the judgment seat of God;

Q. What is the purpose and outcome of this future universal judgment?

Romans 14:11
11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, EVERY knee shall bow to me, and EVERy tongue shall confess to God."

1. All will stand before God in a future judgment

2. All will end up bowing the knee and confessing to God.

Q. What will ALL be confessing to God?

1. Paul quotes Isaiah 45:23 when he says "for it is written ...

Let's go back and see what the context of Isaiah 45:23 is about?

Isaiah 45:21
21 And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me.

Ok. There is only one God and he is the Savior-God.

Things are warming up.

Q. Since there is no God but one he therefore says to humanity ...

Isaiah 45:22
22 "Turn to me and be saved, ALL the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.


God is one. He is Savior. So God calls humanity to turn to him ... Choose him to be ...


Oh my goodness.

Will the whole earth turn to the only God for salvation?

Here's comes the verse Paul quoted.

Isaiah 46:23
23 By myself I have SWORN; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: 'To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.'


God calls the whole of humanity to turn to him to be saved.

God swears that his word of universal salvation will be fulfilled!

Every knee will bow ... Every tongue all confess = swear allegiance to God.

All will turn to God in salvation!!

You can bank on it.

But here's the thing.

Paul quotes this very passage and refers to this universal future bowing of the knee and confessing loyalty to God ...

And he calls this the future judgment!


The purpose of the future judgment is to bring about

Universal salvation.

Judgment saves all as all turn to God in the final judgment.

Yee hah!!!

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Amen! Ps.22:27 I figure can only occur on that ‘day’! - “All the ends of Earth will remember” - Hebrew word sense = “will come to their senses and turn to the LORD, and ALL families of the nations will worship/rejoice before Him”.

Few appreciate that a judgment is useless unless the person being judged accepts the judgment as true. In the end we will all accept our judgments as true, be forgiven then bow to our Lord and Savior.

Love it as well.

Santo, A friend responds: "The believer's Judgement Seat is not the final judgement of the unsaved." What do you say to that?

It’s everywhere ! How is it overlooked ? 😳

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Does the bible say anywhere that in the afterlife that God will REWIRE and heal the minds of unbelievers so that they willingly choose Him?
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The interview on USA radio went very well… Here is what a listener had to say… When I get a link to the actual interview I’ll post it.

Martha Sandino wrote:
Ben Sudderth III, a Christian radio host, broadcasted a lively and engaging interview with Santo Calarco as a special guest on his BS3 Sports Show, talking about his new book, Amazed by Grace, and the topic of Universal Salvation.
Santo took us through a 7-minute whirlwind tour of the Bible, tracing Universal Salvation from Genesis to Revelation. Both Host & Listeners to the BS3 Sports Show were especially surprised by Santo’s dramatic claim that in the Book of Revelation, those in the Lake of Fire actually end up INSIDE the Holy City—which led to an energizing and fascinating Q & A that spilled way over the allotted 30-minute interview window. I especially enjoyed the vigor and excitement with which Santo fielded some of the toughest questions that came out from surprised Christians in the audience!
Those interested in the possibility that Hell—as Santo claims—is both temporary and corrective will find this interview a terrific launching pad for study, discussion and research. Those who have already embraced Christian Universalism will do well to hear how Santo responded to the Biblical challenges that listening believers raised during this dynamic, profound and entertaining show.
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Did Paul say the sinners prayer to get saved?


He simply met Jesus who knocked him off his religious horse.

Acts 9:4-5
4 And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?"
5 And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

So where is the sinners prayer?!!

He simply believed IN Jesus.

Once he believed he entered subjectively into salvation and was put to work.

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Knocked off his horse and onto his ass 😂

YAY YAY YAY!! Wow wow!!


The apostle Paul's gospel of universal salvation is found in one word… A Greek participle!

Read this slowly carefully and share it with the world!

Romans 3:23–24
For all have sinned and continue to fall short.

There is the twofold Bad news!

1. We have all sinned - past tense

2. We all continue to fall - present tense

And now for the best News of all!

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by his grace as a gift.

Many key words here!!


Let’s unpack this.

The words "being justified" are very very important.

These words are the good news that undoes the bad news.

These two words come from one Greek participle.

So what's the big deal that its a participle?

A participle is a verb that functions as an adjective.

A verb describes an action.

An adjective describes a noun.

For example… The RUNNING MAN

The word "running" is a participle… It comes from the verb "run" and in this phrase it functions as an adjective and so describes the "man" - which is a noun.

Back to Romans…

"being justified" is a participle.

Who are being justified?

How many are being justified?

The Greek participle requires a noun to describe.

The noun in this sentence is "all"!!

The all that have sinned - past tense

The same all that continue to fall…

Is the exact same all that remain justified or just or righteous… Same Greek root.

Since a participle must have a noun to qualify and since the only noun is the word all ..

The NIV has correctly inserted the words "and all" are being justified by grace - into the text.

The Greek text actually demands it for clarification.

Romans 3:23-24 New International Version
23 for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and ALL are justified freely by his grace

SEE? The same all that have sinned and continue to fall short are the same all that are justified = righteous with God.

Paul says that ...

Whilst all continue to fall ...

They continue to remain just!

You remain just whilst you continue to fall!!!

And the news gets better!

The participle "being justified" is a present passive participle… Which means…

The passive talks about something done to us and not by us! No human works involved.

Paul is saying that while we continue to fall short we continue to remain passively just by the grace of God!

It is something God does to us as a free gift!

There is no room for guilt and condemnation in Paul's gospel!

The same all that have sinned continue to passively remain just by the grace of God as a free gift.

Paul was clearly a Universalist!

The same all that sinned are also remaining just and righteous at the same time.

So let's share this finished universal work with the world so that they can come to faith and enter into it and enjoy their rest! This is what Romans 10 is about.

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You know Santo. There is a verse in Hebrews that reminds me of being in the grace of Christ while falling (in this case REAL SHORT). “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?” --Hebrews‬ ‭10:29‬ ‭ESV‬‬ I read this verse one time and thought of God right there, and right then, still having salvaic grace upon the centurions beating and torturing Christ. Gave me chills. Chills over the fact that even in the midst of that level of sin Christ's grace for them was there, and it was there even before the world began. That covenant of Grace is eternal -- just as God is.

I love it. I think also the phrase- the renewing of the Mind - also works the same way. I'm not completely sure though even though it seems logical to me. He has already given us his mind the mind of Christ yet so many people are trying to do something with their old way of thinking their old mind the carnal mind.

All will be reconciled, according to the scriptures.

Do you think it's possible for God one day to forgive Satan

Paul wasted his time converting people then, and ultimately paid with his life. Pretty dumb considering everyone is already saved according to you.

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The Evolution of Satan in Scripture and History. Santo Calarco.

John says that Jesus came to earth to destroy the works of the devil. Who is the devil?

In this paper we will compare and contrast the way Satan is described in both Testaments. We will see that although there are similarities there are also radical differences. In the Old Testament he is described as a member of a heavenly council who cannot operate without divine consent. But then later in the New Testament we read that he was a rebellious independent murderous evil power – and could only work with divine consent.

Let’s unpack this transition and then consider its implications.

A. Satan in the Old Testament.

The English word “Satan” appears a number of times in the Old Testament. Sometimes the Hebrew word “Satan” appears with the definite article “the” and at other times without it. When the word is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser, but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.

Here are some examples:

In Numbers 22:22 we read that the “angel of the Lord” approached Balaam and “opposed” him – the Hebrew word there is “satan” without the definite article!

Numbers 22:22 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 Then God’s anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the LORD took His stand in the way as an adversary [Hebrew says: in the way as a satan!] against him.

In 2 Samuel 24, Yahweh sends the "Angel of Yahweh" to inflict a plague against Israel for three days, killing 70,000 people as punishment for David having taken a census without his approval. 1 Chronicles 21:1 repeats this story, but replaces the "Angel of Yahweh" with an entity referred to as "a satan".

So the word Satan can be used to describe human or spiritual adversaries!

The concept of Satan as a specific independent celestial being is not found in earlier books of the Old Testament. This latter idea appeared during the time of the Babylonian Captivity and especially during the domination of the Persians in the 5th Century BC. Books written during this period present “Satan” as a celestial accuser of human beings in the heavenly courts.

Job 1-2 was written at this time. In the prologue to the Book of Job, Satan appears, together with other celestial beings or "sons of God," before God and informs God that he has been monitoring the behaviour of human beings: "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:7).

Satan’s interaction with God characterizes Satan as that member of the divine council who watches over human activity, but with the evil purpose of searching out men's sins and appearing as their accuser. He is, therefore, the celestial prosecutor! He insists that Job serves God but with selfish motives and so demands that God allow him to test Job with physical suffering (Job 2:3-5).

Yet it is evident from the prologue that Satan has no power of independent action, but requires the permission of God!

The book of Zechariah was also written during the time of Persian domination at the 5th century BC. In Zechariah 3:1-2 Satan is described as the adversary and opposer (which is what Satan means!) of the high priest Joshua, and of the people of God. And in this radical passage we read that Satan “opposes” the "angel of the Lord," about Joshua and the people of God. The “angel of the Lord” shuts down Satan’s claims and silences him in the heavenly courts!

However in both Job and Zechariah we can see that Satan is an accuser but can only act with divine permission.

There is a specific reason that this additional information about Satan became available during the time of the Persian domination around 500 BC. It was at this time that God’s people were exposed to its religion, Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism taught about the existence of good and evil spiritual powers and even the devil himself! So it’s now that prophets were given additional revelation about these spiritual beings.

Daniel 10 was written at this time.

Daniel 10:1-2
In the third year of Persia’s King Cyrus, a message was revealed to Daniel, who was called Belteshazzar. The message was true: there would be a great conflict. Daniel understood the message, having discerned the meaning of the vision. 2 During that time, I, Daniel, had been mourning for three weeks.

Daniel acknowledges that during the time of the Persians, that he received fresh revelation from God about a “great conflict”. As a result of this new information about conflict he began to mourn for three weeks. As we read on in the chapter we are told unambiguously that this great conflict was in the heavenly realms! Good and evil spirit powers were at war and this battle impacted the future of human beings.

Daniel 10:12-14 New Living Translation (NLT)
12 Then he said, “Don’t be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day you began to pray for understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your request has been heard in heaven. I have come in answer to your prayer. 13 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia. 14 Now I am here to explain what will happen to your people in the future, for this vision concerns a time yet to come.

Wow what a revelation Daniel received. Daniel was praying about the future of his people under Persian domination and he is told that there are “spirit princes” and “archangels” at war in the heavenly realm, that are involved in the freedom of God’s people!

It’s only now that the veil is lifted in the Old Testament. There is a heavenly war going on that involves the destiny of nations and not all work with divine consent!

Its only now, with this new information about warring spirit beings, that the role of Satan begins to change.

Up till this point in time, we have seen that Satan is part of a heavenly council. He watches over the affairs of humans. He looks for ways, like a prosecuting attorney, to oppose and accuse human beings so that HE CAN PUNISH THEM – release disasters and even kill people. Read Job 1-2 carefully and note that even though Satan worked with divine consent it, he was still the one that actively sent disaster, sickness and death! But then we read that Job himself attributed this all to God!

Given Satan could only function with divine consent, God was ultimately attributed as the original cause of disaster! So at this point Satan is not an evil spiritual power that works against God … at least until the time of Daniel. It’s now that more information comes to hand and its now that the role of Satan begins to change. His true character and role is now beginning to made clearer. Newer revelation edits previous information.

The Old Testament canon comes to a close. But there is still a lot information that becomes available between the Old and New Testaments. These Jewish writings are known as the Apocrypha and what these writings says about the evolution of the role and nature of Satan sound nearly identical to what Jesus said!

In the Apocrypha.
During the intertestamental period, satan developed into a malevolent entity with abhorrent qualities in dualistic opposition to God. In Wisdom ii. 24 Satan is identified as the serpent in Genesis 2:3, as the author of all evil and who brought death into the world. Satan is referred to as the seducer of Eve, and was hurled from heaven together with other angels because of his iniquity (Slavonic Book of Enoch 24:4). Since that time he has been called "Satan," although previously he had been termed "Satanel" ( Salvonic Book of Enoch 33:1).

So we can see that the idea of “Satan” undergoes a radical evolution and transformation. In the ancient books of the Hebrew bible Satan as a supernatural being was not known. When he was revealed at the time of the Persian domination we have noted that Satan was a heavenly prosecutor, part of a council, that sought to accuse humans and so punish and release disaster – albeit with divine consent at this point in the revelation. Then with Daniel 10 we are introduced for the first time that not all spiritual beings work with divine consent. We have just touched on the intertestamental period and now move onto the New Testament.

In the New Testament.
The New Testament presents a highly developed demonology and understanding of Satan that far transcends the Old Testament view. It has much more in common with the apocrypha but subverts that as well.

In the New Testament this spiritual malevolent being is referred to by many names: He is called "Satan" (Matthew 4:10; Mark 1:30, 4:15; Luke 10:18), "devil" (Matthew 4:1), "adversary" (I Peter 5:8; I Timothy 5:14), "enemy" (Matthew 8:39), "accuser" (Revelation 12:10), "old serpent" (Revelation 20:22), Beelzebub (Matthew 10:25; 12:24).

The fall of Satan is mentioned in Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Revelation 12:9. He is the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2 Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 12:9?), and who brought death into the world (Hebrews 2:13). He always tempts (I Corinthians 7:5; I Thessalonians 5:1; 1 Peter 5:8), even as he tempted Jesus (Matthew 4).

The Synoptic Gospels identify Satan and his demons as the cause of illness, including fever (Luke 4:39), leprosy (Luke 5:13), and arthritis (Luke 13:11–16), while the Epistle to the Hebrews describes the Devil as "him who holds the power of death" (Hebrews 2:14). Luke 22:3–6 states that Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus because "Satan entered" him and, in Acts 5:3, Peter describes Satan as "filling" Ananias's heart and causing him to sin. The Gospel of John only uses the name Satan three times. In John 8:44, Jesus says that his Jewish or Judean enemies are the children of the Devil rather than the children of Abraham. The same verse describes the Devil as "a man-killer from the beginning" and "a liar and the father of lying." John 13:2 describes the Devil as inspiring Judas to betray Jesus and John 12:31–32 identifies Satan as "the Archon of this Cosmos", who is destined to be overthrown through Jesus's death and resurrection.

The idea that Satan was not a personal independent evil being opposing God came from the Talmud which contains writings from the second century AD -well after the New Testament documents were written. This metaphorical view of Satan is not found in the OT, apocrypha or NT. It never existed during these times. It’s in the Talmud that we first find the idea that Satan was a metaphor (yetzer hara) for evil inclinations within man. Conservative Judaism however rejects the Talmudic interpretation of Satan as a metaphor and and regard him as a literal agent of God – albeit working with divine consent – defaulting to the OT view.

The Rabbis who wrote the Talmud rejected all of the writings of Enoch from the intertestamental period. The books of Enoch insisted that Satan was a literal, heavenly figure which upheld what the OT said! The Talmudic Rabbis set out to uproot every mention of Satan as a real spiritual being from the works of Enoch and even the Old Testament itself!

Interestingly the idea of the Talmudic Rabbis, has resurfaced in modern times as the “ha satan” theory. It goes against the view of the Old and New Testament. This modern idea insists that “the satan” is a symbol for the dark side of man and is not a real independent being.

General Observations.
Through this brief survey we can make the following observations. The view of Satan from Old to New Testaments has radically developed and changed. Jesus did not accept the Old Testament view that Satan worked with divine consent.

Jesus makes it clear that Satan has never worked in cooperation with God. He has been at odds with God from the very beginning - from the time he sinned.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Satan is a liar and murderer. He has been so from the very beginning. When he speaks or acts he does not represent divine consent or cooperation - he speaks and acts independently from in opposition to God. He has always been at odds with God.

Jesus by contrast came to give life; Satan comes to kill. John 10:10.

Jesus came for the specific purpose to pull apart Satan’s kingdom. Satan’s kingdom is at war with Gods - he is not operating with divine consent and cooperation.

Matthew 12:26,28
26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

There is no cooperation or consent going on here.

Satan and God are directly opposed and have been ever since he rebelled.

Satan causes sickness according to Jesus and God’s role is only to heal. Luke 13; John 9.

The implications of these radical differences are monumental.

In the OT, Satan was the direct active agent of disaster and murder – Not God! But he did operate with divine consent. Jesus radicals alters this idea. He insists that Satan is the author of murder and disaster as the OT says but he did not gain divine consent in doing these things.

Reading in hindsight we can gain a clearer picture of what was happening in OT times. Whenever a supernatural disaster took place it was Satan that was the direct active agent – not God. Until the earlier Hebrew prophets knew about the existence of Satan, they could only conclude that God was the author of these atrocities and so attributed these acts to him. They knew no better. But by the time of the later writers – Job and Daniel for example – we can see that the prophets had gained more information. God was not the one who actively sent the disasters – it was Satan albeit with divine consent. Finally we arrive with Daniel and now fresh revelation has manifested. For the first time a Hebrew prophet has been told that spiritual beings exist that are at war with God – not working with his consent.

Then Jesus appears and clears all the fog away. Satan and his cohorts never worked with divine consent. They acted independently to cause sickness and disaster.

In other words, if we will read the OT stories that attribute disasters to God through the lenses of progressive revelation, we will see that God never did any of those atrocities attributed to him. It was Satan alone! He worked in rebellion with God and killed and destroyed human beings.

It’s not God who gives consent to Satan but human beings as they give themselves over to him through destructive choices.



So when we read passages in the Old Testament where God is attributed with killing people ... we must not make the same mistake as Job!

In view of this greater revelation, we are mandated to reread the Old Testament stories of divine violence. We are called to see that the supernatural killings that took place were not committed by God at all. They were independent acts of Satan.

Satan comes only to kill steal and destroy; Jesus came only to give life.
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Very enlightening Santo! Thank you

You stated that the writings of Enoch were from the interestamental period, but wasn't Enoch said to have been Noah's great grandfather?

This is serious. I know the book of job was written before genesis

My question is, if Satan is acting contrary to God's will, is God allowing it? And if so then aren't the actions of Satan part of God's plan? Is it similar to God allowing human sin as part of His plan? Ok I guess that's 3 questions!

So....God didn't send the plagues & death on Egypt to make Pharo let the children of Israel go? This is not a rhetorical question. I really want to know the answer.

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Look at these verses carefully!

They begin by attributing violent language to God and then on closer inspection we can see that it's all symbolic!

Deuteronomy 31:17-18New International Version (NIV)
17 And in that day I will become ANGRY with them and FORSAKE them; I will HIDE MY FACE (Hebrew presence) from them, and they will be DESTROYED. Many DISASTERS and calamities WILL COME on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us BECAUSE our GOD IS NOT WITH US?' 18 And I will certainly HIDE my face in that day because of all their wickedness in TURNING to other gods.

Let's break down these words and phrases carefully!

It begins by talking about Gods wrath ... And then he uses other words and ideas to describe what it is and how it actually works!

Q. How is Gods wrath defined?

A. Gods wrath is defined as God "forsaking" people. As people being DESTROYED!

Q. How does God "forsake" (his wrath) work? How are people DESTROYED by wrath?

A. God HIDES!!! Yes he hides his face. Face in Hebrew means presence. Gods "wrath" reveals itself by "forsaking" which in turn means hiding his face-presence.

Q. How does God hide his presence and forsake (wrath!) people?

A. When God is "not with" his people.

Did you notice that divine anger and destruction expresses itself by "hiding from" and "not being with" people.

Q. When does God hide and step back from people (wrath)?

A. Only after they have chosen to reject God and deliberately and wilfully chosen and turned to other gods! It's only at this point - that humans don't want God anymore that he lets them do what they want - that is he hides his presence. He stops interfering with their stubborn persistent choices.

Q. What happens when God hides his presence = wrath?

A. Disasters and calamities will follow harmful choices to totally reject God and his protection.

Q. So does God actively send the calamities?!!!

A. No!! He steps back, hides and the calamities will just automatically "come" from the other nations and their gods!!

Wrath is defined as human-self generated and created calamities!

But ...

The calamities don't come because God does anything actively ...

The calamities come not because God does anything but because ...

"God is NOT with us!" He hides.

Wrath is a symbol of what God does not do but what we do to ourselves!!

Wrath Forsaking Destroyed ... All the same thing!!

Can you see this?

Wrath language is ancient Hebrew figure of speech which simply describes what we do to ourselves without divine intervention.

The violent language attributed to God in the Bible…

Is not meant to be taken literally!

In the light of this information ...

This calls for a re-reading of the Flood, The destruction of Sodom and The Plagues on Egypt.

Even though the language seems to indicate that the direct active agent is God ... maybe it’s just an ancient Hebrew way of writing things.
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What are your thoughts on topics such as the nephilim and The Book of Enoch?

Its an old academic argument concerning Hebrew is god permissive or causative in action .I see it as permissive .he sets before you life and death you choose .if god is creating evil then there's darkness in him .and a author of death and violence but that contradicts love . if anyone has been in his presence you would know this its a ocean of love that's so strong you think your going to die but you don't .and that love meditates the fear completely .the book of Corinthian says death is a enemy the lat to be put under foot .god doesn't hang with the enemy .thats a contradiction to holy or separate in Hebrew .holy holy holy or separate separate separate .not inclusive.

We are all destroyed.. before being born again.. Amen , by natural law! By our own reasoning which differs/differed from His. I even believe nowadays that lake of fire is manmade.. well the one at Jesus’ return.. Later mention is at the “all in all/all things made new” event of Rev.21:1-5. Like 2 Pet.3:10-13 —TWO! (?) Like bookend events of Jesus’ long second advent..

Yes, I call it the noisome pestilence, as this will plague more than we know. Also I have considered it being an alibi writing sort of.


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John 5:47
But if you do not believe Moses’ writings, how will you believe my words?"

Wow. Looks like Jesus endorsed all that Moses wrote until we check the context.

Look at the verse before and those that follow.

John 5;46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for MOSES WROTE OF ME.

SO Jesus is referring specifically to the statements when Moses prophesied about the coming of Jesus… He is not endorsing everything that Moses ever wrote…


A few verses later Jesus says the same thing.

John 5:39-40
39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about ME
40 yet you refuse to come to ME that you may have life.

YES Jesus endorsed Moses when Moses prophesied about Jesus as the only way to eternal life.

Jesus says this also in Luke.

Luke 24:44-45
44 Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written ABOUT ME in the Law of MOSES and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

So again Jesus endorsed Moses when he prophesied about him.

But at other times Jesus challenged and even negated Moses.

In the below passage Jesus quoted twice from the writings of Moses… In the Genesis passage Jesus upheld what Moses said and attributed its origins to God but in the Deuteronomy passage Jesus negated what Moses said and attributed its origins to Moses.

Matthew 19:4-8
4 He answered, "Have you not read that GOD who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
5 and SAID, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."
7 They said to him, "Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?"
8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

So it’s very clear that Jesus said that in the writings of Moses that God said some things in distinction to what Moses said!

God said one thing but Moses said something else.

It’s a fallacy to conclude that just because Jesus endorsed Moses some times that this meant that he endorsed Moses all the time.

So how are we to know when to accept Moses and when to reject him?

Here it is:

Jesus agrees with Moses when he speaks in terms of restoration but rejects him when he writes about retribution and violence.

I agree with Jesus. He is my bible.
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DESTRUCTION in the bible is about SALVATION not DAMNATION!

But ...

"Jesus spoke about people going away into destruction ... Surely this means that not all can be saved"

Here's the verse:

Matthew 7:13
"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to DESTRUCTION and those who enter by it are many

1. People read the word "destruction" to mean a permanent state of damnation that is irreversible

2. To our western trained ears it surely sounds like that

Until we see how the bible uses the word to mean something very different


Look at the way the word "destruction" is used in this verse

1 Corinthians 5:5
you are to deliver this man to Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the flesh, so that his spirit is SAVED in the day of the Lord.


Destroyed to be saved?!!!

1. Handed over to Satan?

2. Until the very day of judgment - day of the lord!

3. Sounds like being lost permanently but

4. Salvation follows being destroyed!

The words "so that" are a purpose clause in greek and English

"Hand him over to satan for destruction SO THAT (purpose) his spirit is saved on judgment day!"

Salvation at the very last day at judgment day

Which sounds like after death!


Destruction is not permanent in the bible

It is corrective

Good News!

Even those handed over to Satan (whatever that means!) are saved!
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This gate sits on a pathway of truth and mercy where god walks only out side of this is false hood or lies and unloved or sacrificing others to benefit you .instead of the other way around .out side of truth is sin out side of love and mercy is sin and not in god its a picture of the spirit of god in symlitudes and medifores like the bread and the wine ..the water turned to wine..the water and blood that floods from his side its all though out scriptures .one constant message .the aleph and the tau .when moses ground up the golden calf and made colloidal gold and put it into the moving or living water making it blood red the people had left the path of truth and personal sacrifice for another way .

And there's the matter of "destruction," in the original Greek meaning "rendered useless" and/or "ineffective." Therefore, our former persona of hostility toward God is rendered useless/ineffective. That would come under the heading of Christ having destroyed him who has the power of death, eh? The world's enmity toward God led to the crucifixion of Jesus by which death God reconciled that same world unto Himself. awesome..Glory to God

Every day I love you more my brother, I will buy your book this week.

would like to submit to you also for verification, the abomination of desolation is the same thing right? I mean the carnal mind is abominable to Him and so when it is made desolate then He can build on it or convert it. right??

Awesome post, Santo! I love it!

Matthew Coleman

Very enlightening Santo! Thank you

He must increase, I must decrease!

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Bring it on!

Yes, please!






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Here’s a huge difference between Old and New Testaments. In the OT the roles of God and Satan were not opposed. Satan in the OT was not an evil spiritual power that opposed God. To the contrary, he worked in cooperation with God as we can see in the book of Job. The word Satan actually means adversary and he worked in conjunction with God. He carried out Gods testing and inflicted divine harm - so it was believed. This meant that folks in OT times attributed all acts of violence committed by Satan to God given Satan worked with God. See Job 1-2.

But this is where the NT parts company with the OT view. Jesus clearly taught that Satan did not work in cooperation with God. Jesus sharply differentiated between the roles of God and Satan. Satan was a diabolical spiritual being for Jesus who opposed God and murdered people from his own independent will.

In view of this greater revelation, we are mandated to reread the Old Testament stories of divine violence. We are called to see that the supernatural killings that took place were not committed by God at all. They were independent acts of Satan.

Christians should now read the OT stories with differentiating discernment and not attribute to God what Satan did lest we make the same mistake as OT believers.

[The above is what my second book is about: “God behaving badly? Rethinking divine violence in view of Jesus” this second book will be released soon]
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No I don't think so it was he who infected Cain with his spirit to change him into a murderous syocopath .that didn't come from god .god started by outing his pure spirit into humanity .and that would of be a continuous condition unless something or some one changed things and being a spirit and a fallen son of god all Satan had to do was breath his spirit in to Cain as a baby and contaminate gods creation .Jesus did this to his students .


God did not change in the bible ... but people's perceptions of God did!

1500 BC Moses said:
1. God punishes children for the GUILT of parents

Exodus 20:5 Lexham English Bible (LEB)
5 I am Yahweh your God, a jealous God, punishing the guilt of the parents on the children on the third and on the fourth generations

500 BC Ezekiel said:
2. God does NOT punish children for the guilt of the parents.

Ezekiel 18:20 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son.

OK ... so its clear ... there is movement from generational guilt ... to personal guilt and punishment TO JESUS who said ...

33AD Jesus said:
3. God punishes NO ONE FOR THEIR SIN ... God only HEALS!!

John 9:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.



NO ONE WAS BEING PUNISHED BY GOD FOR THEIR SINS! NOT FOR THEIR PARENTS [contra Moses] not for their sins [contra Ezekiel}.

Jesus said that the God he came to reveal is not in the business of transferring guilt and punishment onto people but in the business of healing people!


THE PROPHETS PERCEPTION OF GOD CHANGED AS THEY GREW TO KNOW HIM. Both Moses and Ezekiel said that God told them what to say! But ...

Jesus gave THE TRUTH!

Matthew 11:27 International Standard Version (ISV)
27 NO ONE knows the Father except the Son and the person to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

So don’t make hasty conclusions about what God is like until you get to Jesus. Try and see how perceptions of God gradually grew over time until he was revealed fully in Jesus.

Folks ...

Guilt is not passed on!

God doesn't punish anyone for sins ...


And the Cross was not an act of punishment whereby God transfers the guilt of humanity onto Jesus!


The Cross was an act of healing:

"By his stripes on the Cross we were healed" 1 Peter 2:24
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Thank you Santo for clearly explaining this. And it is verrrrrrry clear for me too as I view it in the light of the parable of the wayward son. Blessings! The son came home to the Father...sin was not an issue... The Father called out for a Loving and a Lavish Home Party. Hallelujah!!! 👏👏👏👍👍👍🤗❤️💕♥️💗

So if i understand correctly, it is an example of a false teaching in the old testament that had to be corrected later by Jesus. If that is true, then you just proved that the old testament is not the true word of God but sometimes the word of man.... Moise got it wrong. Any other places the old testament says things that had to be corrected later ?

Very interesting, it’s almost as if knowledge is evolving in to the discovery of truth, we must transform christianity, by bringing forth the antidote to the toxic beliefs that has damaged so many in the body of Christ.

There are other ways of understanding this. I see progressive revelation in Scripture but not contradiction. I don’t see Exodus 20:5 as contradicting Ezequiel 18:20 In Exodus it says that God “visits the iniquity” upon subsequent generations. In Ezekiel it says that the children will not “bear the iniquity” of the fathers but the only the soul who sins shall die. The word “iniquity” is from the root von which means “crooked.” The idea is to stray from the straight path. God warns in Exodus that if you stray from the straight path your children will come into the world with the same deviate tendencies. But Ezekiel says that only those who actually sin will be punished. To be born in iniquity means you will have the same sinful tendencies, but the child will only be punished if he repeats the sin. He will not be punished for simply being born with the inherited propensity to sin. In John 9 Jesus doesn’t say that our sins will not affect subsequent generations. He simply says that in the case of the man born blind, the blindness wasn’t caused by his parent’s sin. Still today our sins have repercussions against subsequent generations. Generational iniquities (or propensities) and even transmitted sicknesses as a result of the sins of the fathers is still a reality. I think we should treat all Scripture as inspired of God.

Santo , why did Moses say that God punishes children for the guilt of parents?

I always have figured it’s like when God told Eve man would dominate woman - and still does in some backwards places - not like some take it like God is cursing Eve, but as prophecy! Simple! Since mankind was now imperfect, and man was physically stronger than woman, you could bet lots of flawed men, especially in barbaric times and now places, that man would dominate. And when family was SO much THE cultural building block, things those in the family did before you, would be felt and have fruit after they were gone. It still does. But was it ever some sort of curse from God, who “is love”? Or simply the way of things..


The WHOLE world stands B4 God innocent. God keeps no records of wrong! If u keep no records then there is NO scorekeeping and there is NO retribution. This completely changes how we c judgment

P.S. as you say.. translator’s perception influences the translation..

Ok then let’s ditch the Old Testament!

Powerful Santo! Gotta share this!


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Most Christians believe you can’t get saved after death because of this verse:

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Many think that this verse says you can’t get saved after death.

They conclude this based on the ASSUMPTION that judgment means that decisions have been made prior to death and now it’s too late.

But this is clearly false for 2 reasons.

This verse doesn’t say what happens in BETWEEN DEATH AND THE JUDGMENT or what happens during and after judgment.

A. What happens between death and judgment if you die lost?

Peter tells us that ..

The gospel is preached to THOSE WHO ARE DEAD before they stand in judgment.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 but unbelievers will give account to him who is ready to JUDGE the living and the dead.
6 For THIS IS WHY THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED EVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE DEAD, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.


FOR this reason the lost dead must hear the gospel.

So Hebrews 9:27 is not a problem.

It just says we all die and after that comes the judgment.

It doesn’t say what happens between death and the judgment.

Neither does it say what happens after the judgment.

B. What is the purpose and result of Gods judgments for the lost?

Revelation tells us clearly that the purpose and result of Gods judgments is lsalvation.

Read this carefully.

Revelation 15:2-4 New King James Version
2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. 3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:
“Great and marvelous are Your works,
Lord God Almighty!
Just and true are Your ways,
O King of the [b]saints!
Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?
For You alone are holy.
For all nations shall come and worship before You,
For Your judgments have been manifested.”

1. The scene describes events AFTER the mark of the beast is over.
2. The saved are in heaven playing harps having conquered the beast
3. They sing a song of praise.
4. They proclaim that a group of people called the nations will one day in the future join them in worship.
5. The nations are identified as those who worshipped the beast and ended up experiencing the wrath of God in the lake of fire after the mark of the beast crisi is over. Revelation 13:7-8; 14:9-11; 20:15
6. And yet the saints proclaim that the nations who were not yet with them worshiping God would one day after their experience in the lake of fire join them.

Why will the nations one day join them in worship?

Revelation 15:4 New King James Version
For all nations shall come and worship before You,
For Your judgments have been manifested.


Gods judgments on the lost nations is universal worship!

Yes all die. All will face judgment. You can hear the gospel between death and the judgment And even after the judgment ALL NATIONS END UP SAVED and join the saints in worship.

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If we are all born dead (in our trespasses and sins) then that’d be the first death. Right? So when we die at the end of this life, that’d be the second death. Right? If this is true then the judgement is in this life. And physical death is our final judgement. There would be no more judgement after death.

Santo, you are blessing Sir.

thank you!!!

I like the verse in Romans that says even hell can't separate us from God's love. Also it says the saints themselves will judge the world in corinthians. "2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! "

So what do you think happens to someone who heard the gospel but never saw any miracles to justify him or her believing it and thought that something completely natural created everything?


Amen! ALl nations end up saved.. all persons. 2 Peter 2:9 - SAYS IT ALL 🙂 - “God knows how to preserve the unrighteous for CORRECTION/kolasis on-day-of judgment”. Jesus said this - “ALL those in the tombs (graves) will hear His voice and will come forth” (from the graves/tombs) “..some in the resurrection of life” - at Jesus’ return/appearing - “and some in the resurrection to (the) judgment” - “after the thousand years”-REV.20. (Jn.5:28-29) I believe Peter was saying Jesus went via the same Spirit and preached to those locked into judgment/the-flood, whiLe the ark was being built.. 2 Peter says “Noah was a preacher of righteousness” - i.e. our Lord’s preaching to them! Why would He go to - what? a temporary ‘hell’?! - and preach to only them? “All in the graves will hear His voice and come forth some in the resurrection of life and some in the resurrection of judgment” (Jesus said, jn.5:28-29). He also mentioned things which will occur at “the judgment”. And here’s this which I must not be good at communicating, because I don’t know how it is missed! His so short 1st advent perfectly fulfilled the Spring Holy Days (of Lev.23). Right down to the pattern-but that part is hard to see, considering holy week has 3 Sabbaths, and the First Day Of Unleavened Bread is/was sometimes called Passover, and vice versa. So, logic (root word logos!) seems to me to very strongly suggest His long second advent is typified/prophesied by the Fall Holy Days! Yes? Representing the 3 peaks of it - His return at the last “trumpet” and begins the millennium/“thousand years” - DOJ/day of judgment —-> followed by the all in all event when God makes ALL things new, and will now TABERNACLE with mankind upon Earth made new. Right down to the pattern - Trumpets (of Rev & return/appearance) - 10 days/1000 years later - DOA/day of ATONEMENT/DOJ - 5 days/ ? years later - Tabernacles! God Himself will now tabernacle with us upon New Earth in New Kosmos. 3 words summarize the bible - Day Of Atonement. Ours is now during “what is called today” for His reasons - a truth drama needs more than one type of character? And the rest of His children’s is during “the judgment”, which follows the millennium. It’s hard to tell folks that tho even tho it proves UR/CU.. because the companion doctrine to ‘hell’ is still believed by most.. But who said “surely you won’t die?” And who said “dust you are and to dust shall you return?” To be fulfilled on that ‘day’ Jesus called the judgment, typified by Day Of Atonement, will be - The completion of Jn.12:32 - Jesus will draw ALL to Himself. And Ps.22:27 - “ All the ends if Earth will remember (hebrew word sense, come to their senses) and will turn to the LORD. And ALL families of the nations will worship/rejoice before Him.” I believe our heavenly Father is extremely organized. Also He “is perfect” - Perfect never, ever “misses the mark”. Is there any one, He cannot “correct”? [Kolasis]

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SEVENTH-DAY Adventists and Universal Salvation.

As you know I was an SDA for 30 years. I did my masters degree back in 1989 under Dr Jon Paulien. I studied eschatology in general and Revelation in particular with Jon.

He taught us how to interpret Revelation. I took those principles away from those classes and used them ever since.

Using his principles I became convinced about universal salvation.

He was really big in following the unfolding story John was telling us and he also emphasised to look for key words that appear throughout the book.

Well as an SDA I had memorised the three angels messages of Revelation 14. And then one day BOOM.

I read Revelation 14-15 in one sitting and I SAW IT!

In the first angels message we read that an angel proclaimed the everlasting gospel to THE NATIONS. Revelation 14:6. Obviously the nations were the lost since they needed the Gospel. And then the content of that Gospel was found in verse 7:

FEAR god

So it was clear. If a person was fearing glorifying and worshiping God then this was evidence that they had heard the gospel and accepted it.

I also knew the nations who got the mark of the beast would end up receiving the WRATH OF GOD. Revelation 14:9-11

But then it happened. I kept reading onto chapter 15.

John took up the wrath of God mentioned in 14:9-11 and defined it as the 7 last plagues in 15:1.

Then in the next verse John described events after the 7 plagues. The mark of the beast crisis was past. The saints are in heaven singing a song of praise to God. But the content of that song BLEW MY RELIGIOUS MIND!

They sang a song and told the story that another group would one day join them in worship.

There were 2 groups: the saints and ...


Revelation 15:4
Who will not FEAR O Lord, and GLORIFY your name? For you alone are holy. ALL NATIONS will come and WORSHIP you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.

Clearly the saints in heaven were all the saved worshiping God AFTER the mark of the beast crisis. See 15:2.

Then they sing of another group who were not with them yet but would be at some time in the future and join them in worship.

AND THIS SECOND GROUP ARE IDENTIFIED AS THE NATIONS - those who had the mark of the beast and were now in the wrath of God in the lake of fire given the beast episode was in the past!

THERE ARE ONLY 2 GROUPS IN REVELATION 13-15. Those who get the mark of the beast - identified as the nations - and the saved identified as the saints - Revelation 14:12.

So the saved in heaven sing about another group CALLED the nations (those who get the mark of the beast) and declare that they would ALL join them to worship God.

And the description is Unambiguous!

The nations - those who got the mark of the beast and the wrath of God - would ALL ....

FEAR god



Revelation 15:4
Who will not FEAR, O Lord, and GLORIFY your name? For you alone are holy. ALL NATIONS WILL COME and WORSHIP you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.


I had read the words nations ... fear ... glorify ... worship in the first angels message.

Revelation 14:7
And he said with a loud voice, "FEAR God and give him GLORY, because the hour of his judgment has come, and WORSHIP HIM who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

Those 4 words only occur in those two places in the whole bible.


The first angel called the NATIONS to accept the everlasting Gospel and to demonstrate it by fearing God ... glorifying God and worshiping God!

And then we find out that the nations rejected the gospel ... and experienced the wrath of God - both the plagues and the lake of fire.

But while the nations are in the lake of fire ... the saints sing of a time that they will fear .. glorify and worship.

The nations were currently in the lake of fire but would one day ACCEPT THE GOSPEL and demonstrate it by fearing glorifying and worshipping God.

When I saw this ... I had become a universalist.

I realised that the lake of fire brought the nations to repentance!

That was how I began my journey.

And I am indebted to the Adventist church for the thorough biblical background it gave me ... which opened the doors to freedom.

God will save all Jesus died for.

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Studying the subject of hell with the SDA was a major blessing to me while making perfect sense theologically. It didn't teach universal salvation but at least I could always keep myself focused on Rev21:4 where there will be no more sorrow, no more pain. The universe swept clean with only good in existence. Fortunately being raised mainline as a kid (before making the mistake of listening to hell raisers) I knew there was no substitute for actually reading it and not to just someone else's teaching for it.I still consider myself Lutheran for that reason. I love the Epistles of Paul. No one (including hell raisers) can deny the hope it provides for universal redemption. I couldn't believe the positive info not taught.

Great testimony Santo!

I would love to understand the symbolism in Revelation and can't seem to find any sources. Any suggestions?

Wow... Wow... Wow! brother Santo Calarco! EXACTLY, loved that! I was annihilationist too. With regard to the Saturday? do you still keep as a memorial of Universal Grace, of eternal rest with the Father?

Amen! And that includes all Seventh Day Adventist members.

Wow wow wow.. I love you Jesus and thank you Santo Calaro.!

Yeah, I have my journey as well to universal restoration. I had to get past some Ellen White writings and a few scripture objections. I realized that Ellen White was restricted in her visions to what the leading church leadership was able to comprehend of truth in their lifetime. So she wrote that in the future Gods people would receive more light and truth on various subjects. One of my favorite quotes at the end of "The Great Controversy " is: "All that was lost by sin has been restored." Those nine words tell me that angels, humanity, and the earth will be completely restored. Amen. Blessings.

May I ask what u believe is the mark of the beast. And btw..I love your study. Thankyou for all u share

oh the daze(years)of the Daniel and revelation seminars .... free at last!💥

Some Christians believe that they will just worship God while they are just getting tortured forever. It is kind of crazy how they can still believe in eternal torment knowing this.

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Was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD by the Romans the wrath of God?

No way!

Jesus never said that this massacre of 1.1 million Jews was triggered by God as some kind of punishment for rejecting Jesus. Neither does the New Testament ever say that this horrific act was God’s way of ending the Old Covenant.


The destruction of Jerusalem is only mentioned by Jesus. No other writer in the New Testament ever talks about it. Let’s look at the 3 chapters where Jesus does refer to this event. As we examine every reference let’s see if Jesus ever said that this was the “wrath of God” for rejecting him. Or if he ever says that this massacre was God’s way of ending the Old Covenant.

Matthew 24:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

Jesus made a statement of fact: the Jerusalem Temple would one day be destroyed. There is NOTHING HERE AT ALL that this was the wrath of God for rejecting Jesus or that this was God’s way of ending the Old Covenant.

We are told by Jesus that the Temple would be destroyed but we are not told why!

Matthew 24:15-16 New International Version (NIV)
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Here we have a direct command from Jesus to his followers to flee from Jerusalem when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place of the Jerusalem Temple. This was a signal that their lives were in danger and that Jerusalem was about to be destroyed. But again there is nothing here that this event was the wrath of God for rejecting Jesus or that God was terminating the Old Covenant through this act.


The phrase abomination of desolation comes from Daniel and is directly connected to the destruction of Jerusalem by Jesus. It is mentioned in Daniel 11-12 as we shall see shortly. But Jesus also quotes Daniel in another place in connection with 70AD.

Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

Jesus tells us that 70AD was a time of great distress. But where is the wrath of God mentioned in any of this?! Its simply not there!

This verse is important and proves that the destruction mentioned HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD UPON ISRAEL. Jesus quoted the fulfilment of Daniel 12:1 in this verse.

Daniel 12:1
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered

So we read of “that time” of great trouble mentioned by Jesus. But here’s the thing: the power causing the destruction of Jerusalem is not God! The power doing this was a blasphemous OPPOSED TO GOD!

Look at the verses leading up to 12:1 so we get a picture of the unfolding context.

Daniel speaks about a king of the north in Daniel 11:40.

This power opposes Gods will.

Daniel 11:36
And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods.

This evil king sets up the abomination of desolation that Jesus connected to the destruction of Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:31.
Forces from him (king of the north) shall appear and profane the TEMPLE and shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.

This is important. This power profanes the temple in Jerusalem and sets up the abomination of desolation!


Look at the way this power is opposing God when it destroys the temple and sets up the abomination!

Daniel 11:44-12:1
44 he shall go out with great FURY (wrath) TO DESTROY and devote many to destruction.
1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered

IT IS CLEAR! Two powers opposed to each other are mentioned. Michael delivers and another power destroys.

God is not connected to the destruction of Jerusalem. It’s the anti god power that destroys the temple and God through Michael opposes him to deliver people.


All the way through Daniel 11 this anti god power is opposing Gods will - including the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem.

Matthew is very clear. The only wrath connected to the destruction of Jerusalem is that of an evil power that is going against Gods will.

Let’s consider what Jesus says in Mark about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Mark 13:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
13 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”
2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

Again, Jesus simply predicts the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Does he say that it was the wrath of God or the end of the Old Covenant?

Mark 13:14-19 New International Version (NIV)
14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

We have the same information as Matthew. A terrible time of persecution will come when the Temple is destroyed. When his followers see the sign in the Holy Place of the Temple, it was time to flee for their lives. But there is no mention that this event is the wrath of God for rejecting Jesus or God’s way of terminating the Old Covenant!

Let’s turn to the last passage in the New Testament that describes the destruction of Jerusalem.

Luke 21:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”

Once again we find a prediction by Jesus that the Temple would be destroyed. But Jesus never says why or what it means. Its just a statement of historical fact.

Luke 21:20-24 New International Version (NIV)
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luke’s account is by far the most detailed. Jesus says it straight: the Roman armies would surround Jerusalem. This was a signal to his followers that it was time to run for their lives. Jesus even says here that this event was a time of punishment and wrath! And we have already seen in Matthew 24 that this wrath came from an evil power that opposed God by destroying the Jerusalem temple.

And Luke 21 agrees. Jesus will tell us that this military invasion was the wrath and punishment from the Romans - not from God!

Where is God mentioned in all of this?! NOWHERE?! This idea is fairytale and myth!!

Why Christians want to attribute such atrocities to God and put this idea onto the lips of Jesus boggles the mind! There is no evidence in the text at all!

To be sure Jesus did say that this event would fulfil bible prophecy: “fulfilment of all that has been written”. Which prophecies is he referring to? We are not left in the dark. Matthew and Mark both tell us that this event was described in Daniel and we have already dealt with this above.

So there is no way to say that this fulfilment was an act of God where his wrath was fulfilled. It was the wrath of the king of the north - which we now know is Rome who opposed God through this violence.

Jesus never connected the destruction of Jerusalem with the wrath of God or the termination of the Old Covenant. Jesus neither told us why this event took place. He spoke about it to his followers to warn them to escape and save their lives. So why did the Romans sack Jerusalem?

In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.

The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the centre of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

So that’s why the Jerusalem Temple was destroyed in 70AD. The Jews rebelled against their Roman masters and they got hammered as a result. Yes the Roman Armies imposed THEIR WRATH AND THEIR PUNISHMENT on the Jews. And that’s all that Luke is saying.

Let me conclude by saying this: Jesus predicted the invasion and destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70AD. He was talking to his followers. He told them about this event for ONE REASON: they would be killed if they were in Jerusalem at that time. So Jesus gave them signals so that his followers could escape. In none of the words of Jesus do we find “wrath of God” or “punishment from God”! Not one! He did say that the days of punishment and wrath were coming from the Romans. And history tells us exactly why!

The Jews stubbornly rebelled against the Romans. IT WAS A POLITICAL ACT BY THE JEWS AND A POLITICAL ACT BY THE ROMANS! But this mutual aggression would endanger the followers of Jesus and it was for this reason that Jesus spoke about 70AD!

So now where does this leave 70AD preterism? It has built such a huge theology around this event and it has no basis at all! Preterism speaks of 70AD in terms of God’s wrath on the Jews for rejecting Jesus and some extremists even say that this was God’s way of ending the Old Covenant.

But Jesus or the apostles never said anything of the sort.

The only prophetic significance by Jesus was in the fact that the destruction of Jerusalem posed a threat to his followers – nothing at all to do with the wrath of God or God’s way of ending the Old Covenant.

This is one of the major reasons that Preterism holds very little significance to me. It makes the assumption that 70AD was the wrath of God. Then it interprets all the wrath of God and judgment and hell statements in the New Testament based on this assumption. Even the book of Revelation is based on the premise that it describes the wrath of God in 70 AD! But THERE IS NO SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT 70AD WAS THE WRATH OF GOD!

And so this whole prophetic scheme of interpretation totally collapses. “Preterism has fallen, has fallen!”
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I’ve been waiting for this wonderful work for a long time. Thank you Santo for once again making the confusing, clear.

So clear, thoroughly enjoyed this.!

Depends on what you mean by the "wrath" of God. If we are talking about natural consequences to our actions, it surely is. If you are talking about direct punishment from God, I would say no.

Whether we call AD 70 the wrath of God or not / whether it was the wrath of God or not - at the end of the day the old Law Covenant was done away with at that time and the New Covenant of Grace came into force. In this New Covenant everyone will know God for he will put his Spirit in our hearts; we will KNOW HIM personally. It is all about relationship not rules. No longer are we feasting on the Tree of Knowledge (the Law) - now we partake of the Tree of Life. Whether we agree that AD70 was the wrath of God or not I don’t see how it effects the belief in Preterism. Preterism is not proved wrong by ‘proving’ that AD70 was NOT the wrath of God. God was still bringing an end to the old Law Covenant and establishing the New Covenant at that time.

Every point of Preterism fails to stand up under close scrutiny.

Thank you for taking the time to write this, Santo and clear, as usual.

Santo Calarco do you attach all of the ‘Gehenna’ verses to 70 AD as well? If so, how do you interpret Matthew 10:28?

Deut 28. Fulfilled to the letter in AD70 : 45 All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants for ever. 47 Because you did not serve the Lord your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the Lord sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no corn, new wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the Lord your God is giving you. 53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you – so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot – will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities. 58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name – the Lord your God – 59 the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring on you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord your God. 63 Just as it pleased the Lord to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess. 64 Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods – gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the Lord will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life.

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“The Bible has nothing to do with you! It was written for the Jews and lost tribes of Israel.”

Is this what the bible actually claims? Not at all!

Consider this:

The bible story starts with the fall of man. Gods original intention in Eden was to bless the whole of humanity. And his intention to bless all never changed. Genesis 1:28

This plan is repeated again and put into action with Noah and his children (Genesis 8:17) who ended up becoming the fathers of all the nations of earth. Note the UNIVERSAL MULTI National focus of this plan.

Genesis 10:32
These are the clans of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, in their nations, and from these the nations spread abroad on the earth after the flood.

The story after the flood focusses on THE NATIONS being blessed through Israel. It’s not just about Israel. So God calls up Abraham to bring this plan to fruition.

Genesis 18:18
seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him

God calls Abraham to bless ALL NATIONS in him.

The focus is not just on Israel. Blessing of all nations is in view. Abraham is supposed to be the conduit, the vessel.

Genesis 22:18
and in your SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.

Specifically through the SEED of Abraham all nations are to be blessed.

This idea is developed right throughout the OT!

The focus is on blessing all nations through Israel.

Isaiah 19:23-25
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and Assyria will come into Egypt, and Egypt into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth,
25 whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.

See? The blessing of all nations through Israel?

The focus is not exclusively on Israel.

Then Jesus cones and brings it to fulfilment.

Galatians 3:14-16
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Nations, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed. It does not say, "And to seeds," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your seed," who is Christ.

So the focus was to bless all nations including Egypt and Assyria in previous passage. Not exclusive at all. And Jesus brings it to fulfilment as the seed of Abraham.

The end result?

Acts 3:21,25
21 heaven must receive Jesus until the time of UNIVERSAL RESTORATION about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.
25You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.'

The focus of the entire bible is the blessing and restoration of all nations through the seed of Abraham who is Jesus.

It was never just about Israel or its tribes

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I would say it a bit differently. The Bible, which reveals God's mysterious plan in Christ, is first and foremost about Jesus and the fact that he will fill all things and have the preeminence one day. The result will be universal restoration in him. "the scriptures speak of me" - Jesus.

my sister and I already has three of this new book

I am really enjoying the book Santo Calarco!

It was totally the wrath of man responding to the wrath of man....the wrath of Rome, responding to the Jews' unhinged wrath tracing to their collective subconsciousness of guilt.


The KJV is crystal clear that the dead are in heaven and conscious!

Jesus is enthroned soon after his ascension ... way back 2000 years ago.


Revelation 5:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 And THEY SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY NATIONS tongue, and people;
10 And hast MADE US KINGS AND PRIESTS UNTO OUR GOD: and we shall reign on the earth.



And Youngs says it too!

Revelation 5:9 YLT
and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because thou wast slain, and didst REDEEM US TO GOD in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,

So much for soul sleep!
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Some are getting confused about what I believe happens at death ... part of the reason is that what I believe is not common. Let me unpack it WITHOUT BIBLE VERSES.

1. When man dies his body goes to the grave - the hebrew word for grave is QEBER.

2. But man has another part called a Rephaim in Hebrew. Some English translations render it "shade" or "spirit". When man dies his Rephaim goes to Sheol [Hebrew or Hades in Greek].

3. Where many get confused is that they assume that the whole of man goes to the one place at death. This is not biblical. We saw in previous posts that the rephaim goes to sheol [realm of the dead] at death even before the body has been put into the grave!

4. The human spirit-rephaim is CONSCIOUS in sheol-hades, the realm of the dead.


6. And the body in the grave remains asleep awaiting the resurrection.

7. Then Jesus comes. He dies and comes back to life and then goes to the dead spirits in prison and preaches the gospel to them. Those who believed went with Jesus to heaven. Those who reject the gospel remain in Hades until judgment day.

8. Those who died after Jesus came and believed in him go straight to heaven to be with Jesus.

9. The rest remain in Hades-Sheol and await judgment day.

10. When Jesus returns to earth for judgment, those who died saved return with him and assist in the final judgment.

11. This means that all those in Hades and come back to life when Jesus returns are those who DIED LOST.

12. But whilst in Hades the Gospel is preached to the lost dead. Some believe and others do not.

13. Judgment day arrives. Jesus and those who died saved enter into a work of co-judgment.

14. Hades is opened, bodies are raised. All those who died lost face the open books. Those who accepted Jesus in Hades see that their names are written in the book of life and so enter into the New Jerusalem.

15. Those who rejected Jesus in Hades end up in the lake of fire where they repent and eventually join all the saved in the New Jerusalem.

That is a rough outline of what I currently believe and it will develop.
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Here is some more bible to show that the dead are conscious in Sheol (Hades) -6-

The dead in Sheol-Hades can talk to each other.

Consider these verses that show that the dead in Sheol-hades are conscious and can communicate.

Ezekiel 32:21 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
21 Warrior leaders will SPEAK
about him and his allies:
They have come down;
the uncircumcised lie
slain by the sword.

The dead in Sheol talk to each other as others who die descend into Sheol to join them.

Jonah 2:2 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
2 I called to the Lord in my distress,
and he answered me.

— you can pray from Sheol!

Job 26:5-6 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
5 The departed spirits TREMBLE (Hebrew Rephaim)
6 SHEOL is naked before God,
and Abaddon has no covering.

— again we read that humans have a spirit a Rephaim and that these go to Sheol at death and EXPERIENCE EMOTIONS THERE - they can tremble.

The dead are conscious in Sheol-Hades.
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what about the soul sir? where does it go to?

What do they do all the time in Sheol?

Santo Calarco who are the humans who go to sheol??

What do they do all the time in Sheol?

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Get the MARK OF THE beast and still be saved eventually!

1. Let's define terms

Q. Who gets the Mark of the beast?

Rev 13:7-8
7 And authority was given to the beast over EVERY tribe and people and language and NATION - ,
8 all who dwell on earth will worship it

Revelation 13:14
Those who dwell on the earth ...receive the mark of the beast

2. The phrases "all who dwell on the earth" and "all/every nation" mean the same thing.

So it is the nations who get the mark of the beast.

What happens to the nations - those who worship the beast and get his mark?

Rev 14:9
9 If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath,

So the nations, that is, those who dwell on the earth, end up experiencing the wrath of God.

The Wrath of God includes the seven last plagues and the lake of fire in the book of Revelation. Revelation 15:1; 20:15.

We would automatically assume that they are beyond salvation at this point. But as we continue to read we find out that both the plagues and the lake of fire are redemptive.

Let’s consider what the book Revelation says happens to those who receive the mark of the beast after they have experienced the wrath of God.

In the following verse we read of a time in history when people are experiencing the wrath of God.

Rev 15:2
And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire-and also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands.

The Mark of the beast crisis is now past. The saints are victorious. The nations are in the lake of fire. And it’s during this time that the saints sing of a future time when the nations will one day join them in worship!

Revelation 15:3–4
3 And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and amazing are your deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations!
4 Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. ALL NATIONS (those who go the mark of the beast!) WILL COME and worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."

What?! Yes!

It is penetratingly clear! Two groups are distinguished from each other. The saints are with God. And they sing of another group called the nations who are currently not with them but will be with them and join them in some time in the future and worship God!

In the unfolding context the nations have been clearly identified as those who received the mark of the beast and were undergoing the wrath of God.

And here we are told that they will at some future time join in with the saints and worship God!!

The Saints sing that the lost nations in the lake of fire will one day “glorify God”!

To glorify God in the book of Revelation means to repent.

Rev 16:9
They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

They would not repent by giving glory to God. They instead curse him.

But did you notice that to give glory means to repent?

But hang on ...

The saints sing and proclaim that those who got the mark of the beast currently in the lake of fire

Do eventually give glory to God!!

Yee hah!!

They all all all repent

The lake of fire works!

The plagues did not work but we still know that one day they will give Glory to God!

“They fear God and give him glory and worship him" eventually.

Did you know that to fear God give him glory and worship him means you have accepted the Gospel?


Revelation 14:6-7
6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal GOSPEL to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to THE NATIONS and every tribe and language and people.
7 And he said with a loud voice, "FEAR GOD and give him GLORY because the hour of his judgment has come, and WORSHIP HIM

Yee hah again

We respond to the Gospel by fearing God, giving him glory and worshiping him!

And the saints sing a song about the nations that they will come and fear God, give him glory and worship him! And this can only happen after the lake of fire which is exactly where the nations are at this point in the vision.


Those who worship the beast, the nations respond to the Gospel even after the mark of the beast and in the lake of fire.

So they repent and believe the gospel some time after the mark of the beast after the judgment after the plagues and after the lake of fire!!

This is the unfolding story of the end times in Revelation.

All saved. Eventually
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Glorious! Truly the gospel is glad tidings of great joy for all and not just some.

That's a beautiful study, Santo! Thank you!!! 😂

I thought that the book of Revelation was fulfilled in the first century

The lake of fire is Gods love a consuming fire . And though they will suffer loss . Greed lust lies vanity all things contrary to love which is Gods essence not just an emotion , and like a the burning bush made the soil where Moses stood holy but the plant was unharmed . And that was Jesus pre incarnate . Jesus is the word and image of the almighty omnipresent omnipresent unseen Source of his word and image , a olam in Hebrew means age lasting Jonah in the whale a olam three days Jesus in the earth a olam three days so a olam can be as short as that its undefined period of time , it’s not eternal torment , it says age abiding correction , symbolized by the water baptism , John said I Baptize with water the one to come will baptize with the spirit in this age of the saints and with Fire ? Gods love is a lake of loving fire which purifies the gold and burns up the chaff and all wheat has chaff its your flesh that wars with the spirit , as Paul states

Amen.! “For God knows how to preserve the unjust (the not yet just!) for CORRECTION/kolasis on day of judgment” (2 Pet.2:9). Jesus said “ALL in the tombs (graves) will hear His voice and will come forth” (out of the tombs/graves) “..some in the resurrection of life” (at Jesus’ return/appearing) “and some in the resurrection of judgment” (Jn.5:28-29) “after the thousand years” (Rev.20). During the course of that ‘day’ of “correction”, shall be completed Jesus’ drawing of ALL to Himself (Jn.12:32). And “ALL the ends of Earth will temember (hebrew sense, will come to their senses) and turn to the LORD and ALL families of the nations will worship/rejoice before Him” - Ps.22:27. What “is called today” is our day of atonement.. After the pattern of the Fall holy days.. Trumpets announce His soon return- (10 days) 1000 years later Day of Atonement for the unjust/not yet saved - (5 days later) ? years later? - God will now Tabernacle on Earth made new with mankind.. the all in all event of making ALL things new.. a mention of lake of fire.. the elements melting with a ferocious heat = new earth where rightness will dwell. (First mention of lake of fire is at Jesus’ return amidst fiery armageddon, when Earth is purged of man’s kingdom..and to which (armageddon) the tares were gathered (which is when the wheat is gathered into Jesus’ barn..)

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The dead are conscious -5-

At death the body goes to the grave. It has no consciousness. But the spirit goes Sheol and is conscious.


SHEOL is not the grave.

Now look at the way THOSE IN SHEOL can talk TO EACH OTHER about their bodies in THE GRAVE!

Isaiah predicts the death of the king of Babylon.

He says that as he enters SHEOL - the realm of the dead - that those who went there before him will talk to him.

Isaiah 14:9-10 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
9 SHEOL below is eager to greet your coming,
stirring up the spirits of the departed for you (Hebrew Rephaim)-
all the rulers of the earth—
making all the kings of the nations
rise from their thrones.
10 They all respond to you, saying,
“You too have become as weak as we are;
you have become like us!


It all comes together here.

1. The Rephaim - the departed spirits of the dead are in SHEOL.

2. They can talk to each other.

3. They didn’t know that the king of Babylon was coming. As they hear that he is coming they mockingly greet him. Note that the dead in Sheol “know nothing” about events happening on earth. They didn’t know that the king of Babylon had died. But they were aware of what was going on in their realm.

4. As they talk to the spirit of the king of Babylon in Sheol they SPEAK ABOUT THEIR BODIES GOING INTO GRAVES - but not the king of Babylon.

Isaiah 14:18-20 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
18 All the kings of the nations
lie in splendor, each in his own tomb.
19 But you are thrown out without a grave (Hebrew Qeber)
like a worthless branch,
covered by those slain with the sword
and dumped into a rocky pit like a trampled corpse.
20 You will not join them in burial

Note that these dead kings are identified as SPIRITS.

They can communicate in Sheol.

They talk about their bodies in the grave - Hebrew qeber.

Their spirits are conscious in Sheol but their bodies lay in the grave.

Where am I going?

It’s these conscious spirits in Sheol that Jesus went to and preached the gospel.

The bodies in the grave are a separate thing and will be resurrected at some time in the future when they will be reunited with their spirits as they eventually inhabit the earth made new.

The dead in Sheol-Hades can talk to each other.

Consider these verses that show that the dead in Sheol-hades are conscious and can communicate.

Ezekiel 32:21 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
21 Warrior leaders will SPEAK
about him and his allies:
They have come down;
the uncircumcised lie
slain by the sword.

The dead in Sheol talk to each other as others who die descend into Sheol to join them.

Jonah 2:2 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
2 I called to the Lord in my distress,
and he answered me.

— you can pray from Sheol!

Job 26:5-6 Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
5 The departed spirits TREMBLE (Hebrew Rephaim)
6 SHEOL is naked before God,
and Abaddon has no covering.

— again we read that humans have a spirit a Rephaim and that these go to Sheol at death and EXPERIENCE EMOTIONS THERE - they can tremble.

The dead are conscious in Sheol-Hades.
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I will love to ask sir, what's the Greek word for Grave?

Interesting but could they have been non human spirits? ECC 12 something says that your spirit returns to God, from which it came.


Is there consciousness after death?-4-

Even in the Old Testament?!!

So far ...

There is no consciousness in the grave.
There is consciousness in Sheol.
The body goes to the grave.
But the Rephaim-spirit is conscious in Sheol.
The grave is not Sheol.


A false report comes back to Jacob that Joseph is dead. Jacob responds with:

Genesis 37:35
`for I will go down into Sheol unto my son mourning’. Thus his father wept for him”

Ok. So Jacob says that Joseph is in Sheol and that he would later see him there.

Sheol CANT be the grave. Why?

Joseph was supposedly eaten by a wild animal.

Genesis 37:33
And he identified it and said, "It is my son's robe. A fierce animal has devoured him. Joseph is without doubt torn to pieces."


BUT JOSEPH WAS IN SHEOL. (Don’t forget that Joseph was not dead. But the point remains!”)




So it’s just plain wrong to assume that Sheol means the grave.

And it’s never the body that goes to Sheol - only the spirit.

Let’s continue with Jacob.

Jacob dies.

At death Jacob goes to Sheol to be gathered with his people.

Genesis 49:33
When Jacob finished commanding his sons, he drew up his feet into the bed and breathed his last and was gathered to his people.

Now here’s the thing.

Jacob is at this point with his people in the realm of the dead

BUT ... Jacob was not buried for 2 more months. Read Genesis 50:1-13.

So the body goes to the grave BUT THE SPIRIT GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE.


THE body goes to the grave at some point after death ...

But the spirit goes to SHEOL IMMEDIATELY AT DEATH.


But the spirit is in another realm CONSCIOUS.

In the next posts I will demonstrate that THE SPIRIT IN SHEOL EVEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IS CONSCIOUS - whilst the body in the grave sleeps.
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Doesn't Sheol mean hidden? Could Jacob have been speaking metaphorically or using a Figure of Speech?

Religious junk I used to teach: “If you put faith in Jesus, God does not see you but sees you in Jesus and as a result accepts you!” JUNK! This idea is based on the assumption that God finds us repulsive! God not only loves us unconditionally but he also likes us just as we are! ... See MoreSee Less

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Because we are as He is!


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Yes, but it makes me nervous..

I’m afraid of what will happen if I say yes. But...yes!



If I didn't t put yes then yes. If I did Here it is again












Yep! 😀

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Yes! Si! Ya! Hell ya! Yep! Yeah! Sure! Yes!

Yes Sir














Santo, what do you think the Mark is? Or do you plan to address that in your next post?

Bring it on Santo!








Yes please

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And why not? The doctrine of purgatory echoes the "fires" that burns away the wood, hay, and stubble. It's so much more in keeping with a just God who loves.. to believe He built a way to bring all to repentance

Yea you are right I remember l ray Smith talking about Pope John Paul's write up on hell being a state and not a place. But virtually all the Catholics believe that life continues at death and 90 % them believe in hell fire as real. One Catholic girl once told me that people have all the opportunity to repent so that justifies hell. But by the way I appreciate they give people opportunity after death that is why they offer prayers for the dead. But I think what universal reconciliation is very far from what they teach.

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Where do we go when we die and are we conscious -3

Are the dead conscious?

Well that depends if you are talking about the body or the spirit!!

Those who believe in some kind of unconscious state in death assume that Hades (Sheol in Hebrew) and the grave are the same thing.

They insist that when the bible speaks of the dead going to Sheol-Hades that this simply means they are going to the grave - and while in the grave (Sheol Hades) they are unconscious.

But is Sheol (Hades in Greek) the same thing as the grave?


The grave is where the body goes at death but mans departed spirit (Hebrew Rephaim) goes to Sheol-Hades and is conscious in that realm - but not aware of what is happening on earth.

The common word for “grave” in the Old Testament is queber - NOT SHEOL! Of the sixty-four times it is used, it is translated “grave” thirty-four times, “sepulcher” twenty-six times, and “burying place” four times.

NOTE the way that the BODY goes to QUEBER at death.
1 Kings 13:30 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
30 He laid the BODY in his OWN GRAVE (queber)

We never read that the spirit of man goes to the grave - the spirit only ever goes to SHEOL - the realm of the dead.

Proverbs 9:18 World English Bible [web]
The thief does not know that the departed spirits [Hebrew rephaim] are there, That her guests are in the depths of SHEOL.

So it’s the spirit that goes to SHEOL but the body only ever goes to QUEBER - the grave.

You never read of multiple SHEOLS - there is only one and it’s a collective gathering place for spirits.

But in contrast graves are plural and personal and individual.

2 Kings 23:6 New Revised Standard Version NRSV)
6 the graveS of the common people.

Graves are plural Sheol is ONLY singular.

Individual bodies go to individual graves but all spirits go to the one Sheol.

Why is this important?

The verses that speak about the dead being asleep refer to the body in the grave.

When the Bible speaks about the spirit or soul in Sheol we read that the spirit is conscious.

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Yes, I want the whole carrot!



This is dope man.


You didn't take into account the Biblical teaching of soul sleep. From Genesis to Revelation, the scriptures point out death as a sleep without conscious awareness. Lazarus was dead and Jesus described him as being asleep. John 11. Satan's angels pretend to be our dead loved ones. They mimic the voice, transform to the appearance, and pretend to be dead people. They spread the lie that the dead are still alive. The witch from Endor brought up a spirit claiming to be Samuel the prophet who condemned King Saul and pronounced total defeat for him and his army. The Bible teaches a resurrection from the dead at an appointed time. Revelation 20.

Yes- would like to know what you think about NDE, or could you expound on them-- Will go ahead and let you know that I had one of these-- was unaware of anything, people, place etc-- yet was in a realm where there was nothing but pure unadulterated love, joy and peace. One of the downloads I received is talking with out speaking and hearing without listening--

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Church father Irenaeus says that THE LAKE OF FIRE IS THE SAME THING AS GEHENNA AND ETERNAL FIRE! Here is the quote:

"Moreover, he says, the book of life was opened, and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the books, according to their works; and death and hell were sent into the lake of fire, the second death. Revelation 20:12-14 Now this is what is called Gehenna, which the Lord styled eternal fire. Matthew 25:41 And if any one, it is said, was not found written in the book of life, he was sent into the lake of fire." Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 35):2

I have been saying this a long time now!
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Where do humans go when they die? -2-

Last time we saw that all humans in Old Testament times go to a place or dimension called SHEOL = the realm of the dead.

Q. In what form are humans in Sheol? Are they in bodily form?


The body goes to the grave - but the Rephaim - the spirit goes to Sheol.

The grave is not Sheol.

1. The Bible speaks about the “rephaim” of humans going to Sheol. Rephaim are human spirits or shades.

Psalm 88:10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
10 Will You perform wonders for the dead?
Will the [a]departed spirits (Hebrew Rephaim) rise and praise You? Selah.
Psalm 88:10 Or ghosts, shades

Did you notice that the footnote tells us that the Hebrew word translated “departed spirits” means “ghost” or “shade” = shady form.

They are called shades because they are now in a shadowy ghostlike place and form.

Its clear in this verse that those in Sheol are not in heaven praising God. They will need to RISE from there to do that. This is what Jesus achieved. Meanwhile in the Old Testament the spirit is trapped in Sheol.

2. The Rephaim of humans goes to Sheol at death.

Proverbs 9:18 World English Bible [web]
The thief does not know that the departed spirits [Hebrew rephaim] are there, That her guests are in the depths of SHEOL.

In the next post I will demonstrate that the body goes to the grave NOT TO SHEOL.

This impacts what happens at death and the coming of Jesus.

Here are other verses that speak about the departed spirits in Sheol.
Job 26:5; Ps. 88:10; Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16; Isa. 14:9; 26:14,19.
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I'm sitting in my car while the kids are in youth group and reading through your posts as I've promised. I don't have my Bible with all my notes but I think Rephaim refers to the spirits of the giants who were killed during Noah's Flood. I think I read that in Bullingers Companion Bible

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We have all lost loved ones. Where are they now? -1-

Where do HUMANS go at death?

Is there consciousness after death? The Old and New Testaments tell an unfolding story. The death and resurrection of Jesus impacted death - so don’t get stuck in the Old Testament.

Let me unpack this systematically.

A. Where do humans go at death in the Old Testament?

Believers and unbelievers go to a place called SHEOL at death.

1. UNBELIEVERS GO TO SHEOL = the realm of the dead.

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God.

See also Psalm 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14.


Genesis 37:35
Jacob refused to be comforted and said, "No, I shall go down to Sheol to my son Joseph mourning." Thus his father wept for him.

So Jacob and Joseph (supposedly dead) go to Sheol at death.

See also Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10



Meanwhile even in Sheol God is there with them.

Psalm 139:8.
If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!


But there’s more.

You see ... the body doesn’t go to sheol - it’s the Rephaim, the departed spirit. The body goes to the grave - the spirit to Sheol.


THIS distinction is critical. Next time.
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The primary purpose of the lake of fire is to bring the lost nations to repentance about God by cleansing away deception.

How can I possibly make this claim?

John tells a story in the book of Revelation and the lake of fire is the end-part of that story. It’s only as we understand the unfolding plot line that we really come to grips with what the lake of fire is really about.

The story John tells begins in Revelation chapter 12 and ends in chapter 22. It starts with the cross and the way Jesus overcame the devil at Calvary.

Satan’s defeat infuriated him and so he sets out to deceive the world. Deception is a major theme that is developed in these 10 chapters. 

Satan is hellbent on turning the world against God and he does this through deception. His plan to deceive the world includes calling up allies. The sea beast, the lamb like beast, also known as the false prophet and Babylon are his cohorts in his master plan to deceive the nations of the world and so turn humanity against God.

As we read the unfolding narrative it seems like Satan is successful. The nations not only persecute the people of God but they also turn against Jesus and attempt to make war against him when he returns.

They fail and in response Jesus arranges for Satan to be jailed so that he cannot deceive the nations until the prophetic 1000 year period has ended. After this period Satan is released and sets out to deceive the nations once again. And again the nations turn against God and his people and fire from heaven symbolically devours them.

In the very next scene the nations are raised back to life to face the great White thrown judgement. They see that their names are not found in the book of life and they are consigned to the lake of fire.

The nations were deceived by the devil, the false prophet and Babylon and as a result of this deception they end up in the lake of fire.

This point needs to be underscored.

We know exactly why the nations are in the lake of fire. It is because they were deceived. To be deceived means to be tricked. This means that the nations have not made a fully informed decision. This is what deception is!

Immediately we read of a new heaven and a new earth with the saints inside the new Jerusalem and those in the lake of fire outside the gates of the city.

They are in the lake of fire because they were deceived and so turned against God.

Is the lake of fire the end for the nations of the world?

Is it really true divine justice to imprison people in the lake of fire for being tricked?

What I have just done in this post is share with you the unfolding storyline found from Revelation 12 to Revelation 21.

Can the deceived nations repent in the lake of fire and so leave?

The remaining verses say yes. The nations end up leaving the lake of fire and enter into the new Jerusalem through the gates from the outside to join the Saints who are already inside.

At this point we need to stop. They entered the lake of fire because they were deceived about God. They now leave the lake of fire and enter into the new Jerusalem.

The conclusion is compelling. The lake of fire dealt with deception. We are told that the lake is filled with sulphur.

Sulphur was a cleansing agent in the temple and in the hands of doctors of the first century.

The Greek word translated sulphur is the exact same Greek word that means Divinity or divine nature. The lake of fire is filled with the divine nature!

The lost nations went into the lake of fire deceived about God and then in the lake of fire they soak in the very nature and DNA of God!

The lake of fire cleanses away deception concerning God and so the nations repent, enter into the gates of the new Jerusalem, approach the throne of God and eat from the leaves of the tree of life and find their healing.

And they all lived happily ever after.
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Folks are writing to me and asking me why I believe that no one actually rejects God and the Gospel. -1-

This grows out of my study of the book of Revelation.

Just consider the following texts.

We are told that anti-god powers DECEIVE the world.

A. Satan deceives the world.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who DECEIVES the whole world

B. The false prophet also called the lamblike beast deceives the world.

Revelation 13:14
And he DECEIVES those who dwell on the earth

C. Babylon deceives all nations

Revelation 18:2
all the nations were DECEIVED by your sorcery


The lost in the world are specifically lost because they REJECTED THE GOSPEL.

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal GOSPEL to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.




That’s what deception means.

Ok ...

For now ... we know that all the lost have been deceived.

Since they have been deceived then they have not rejected the gospel on the basis of a fully informed decision.

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